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Out of service in 2069

A parliamentary written response confirmed that the carriers are expected to serve until 2069. This should be added to the article.

Source (I don’t know if UKDJ is considered reliable): https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/out-of-service-date-confirmed-for-aircraft-carriers/ 2A00:23C4:E851:C701:25B4:6A8D:676F:9214 (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Program criticism

this section should be removed. It does not make any valid point Ncox001 (talk) 14:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree. A major public procurement of this type will always have opposing arguments. And this one wasn't run particularly well, increasing the critcism. What is there is valid in my opinion, and probably should be expanded on, for example the struggle of the RN to fully crew all of its fleet and the related slow procurement of F-35s. Mark83 (talk) 08:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm late to the discussion, but I agree. It seems to be to have been included for the sake of it, not least because it lists examples without specifying who made the criticism or why it was notable.

For example, I'm sure that Greenpeace or the Global Peace Foundation would object to any and all military projects. But it would be rather tiresome if every page on a military project had "and the GPF condemned it because war is bad".

The first point might be relevant to one of the pages about the Royal Navy or its future. But given the carriers have already been constructed and paid for, on this page the arguments are academic.

The second point has two sources. The first seems to be a generic defence website that is non-notable. The second is a generic argument against aircraft carriers, which would be better served on the page about aircraft carriers.

The third point is a generic criticism of defence spending, again not the carriers. The first citation argues against increased defence spending not the carriers. The second citation is regarding difficult choices in how defence money is spent. The third citation seems to carry no criticism at all.

In short, I plan to remove the section - I will start by removing citations that do not support what is said. If someone wants to add criticism of the project, it should be from a notable person or organisation in the Background or Construction section, depending on what the points were. John Smith's (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]